Greetings, friends and visitors from abroad
Welcome to the "Red Workers" Message Board. "Red Workers" is a social oriented fan project group, established by Hapoel tel-aviv supporters. its goal is to create a social community between hapoel tel-aviv supporters. the main motto of this fan project is "supporters support supporters". a social community of mutual help between supporters. for an example - supporters who are students or teachers - help young supporters with their homework - free of charge. supporters who can offer employment to other fellow supporters, do it here.
and there are more activities we would love to share with you here in this forum.


we invite you to share with us your fan projects activities, share us with your knowledge and experience, maybe you can also learn something from us as well.
discussions about antira and antifa activities are also most welcomed.

I hope that you don't mind that I post these questions here. If you can answer them in the next 2 days we can publish the interview in our forthcoming edition of TAL Fanzine (which goes to the printer at the weekend). There are political issues that we obviously would like clarification from you and have raised these questions in a comradely way. You can reply via our email at talfanzine@googlemail.com

Thanks in advance.


1/ What is the history of your group, when did it start and what were the ideas behind its formation?

2/ What have been the most successful tifo displays and away trips that your group has organised?

3/ What are the politics of your group?

4/ Which other supporters clubs and ultras groups do you have friendships with?

5/ Who are your biggest enemies in football and why?

6/ You refer to a two of the other Israeli football clubs’ management and support as racists and fascists – can you please explain why you define them in this way?

7/ You display a banner saying “No Nations – No Borders” – Does this mean that you are opposed to the existence of the Israeli state?

8/ What is your attitude to Zionism as a nationalist ideology?

9/ What are your views on the rights of the Palestinians to a homeland based on the pre-1967 borders and free of interference from Israel?

10/ Would you support an end to any further settlements in the Palestinians land and the dismantling of existing settlements in the West Bank and further Israeli expansion in Jerusalem?

11/ What is your attitude to military service in the Israeli Defence Force – do your members serve in the army or do they oppose and boycott military service?

12/ Did you oppose the recent war in Gaza?

13/ How do you see the situation of Israel and Palestine being resolved?

14/ We are impressed by your statement about your group as a social network that aims to help your community. Can you please give examples of this type of work that you are involved in?

15/ Anything else you want to say about your group… please go ahead here…

i will be happy to answer all your questions, i just want to know what is talfanzine and which team do you support

TAL FANZINE

'Tiocfaidh Ar La - For Celtic & Ireland'

We are the founders of Celtic Fans Against Fascism.

Fighting racism and fascism inside and outside of our club for 20 years (we were activated as a group of friends that objected and fought against the supporters of our club who racially abused the black rangers player Mark Walters in 1989). This was the lowest point for us as fans and activists, but in the interveneing years we completely reversed the situation and it is our work that laid the foundations for the progressive ultras groups that flourish today at Celtic.

My own background is: founder member and editor of TAL fanzine; founder member of Celtic Fans Against Fascism; former organiser for Anti-Fascist Action (AFA) and Red Action in Scotland (see http://www.redaction.org" target="_blank).








From the introduction on our website

http://www.talfanzine.com" target="_blank

The TAL Fanzine - 'Tiocfaidh Ar La - For Celtic & Ireland' - was founded in late 1991 and the first issue of the fanzine was sold at the New Year 1992 match when Celtic played rangers. The magazine soon established itself as the authentic voice of the republican-minded Celtic supporters who gathered in Glasgow every other Saturday to watch The Bhoys play. The fanzine has also appeared online in various forms in recent years.

When TAL was founded the term 'Tiocfaidh Ar La' (Our Day Will Come) seemed to sum up our hopes for our football club which was going through one of the most barren and trophyless periods of its history. The Irish phrase is one coined by republicans and expresses their desire for freedom and their struggle to establish a united 32 County democratic socialist republic in Ireland.

'Our Day Will Come' encapsulated everything that we felt about our club and the aspirations we felt for the country and the people that gave birth to it - Ireland. It was our forefathers - those Irish immigrants that fled famine and hunger to set up home in the hostile environments of the West of Scotland in the late 19th Century - who founded The Celtic Football Club.

And so it was: 'Tiocfaidh Ar La - For Celtic & Ireland'

This website will provide news, information and points of view about Celtic - 'the team we all adore!' - and the political issues that our supporters are most interested in - Irish republicanism, anti-racism & anti-fascism, fighting against 'sectarianism' (anti-Irish racism) and other political issues and politically progressive movements.

contact: talfanzine@googlemail.com" target="_blank

The 'TAL' is short for Tiocfaidh Ar La, Irish for 'Our day will come', the fanzine is a Celtic fans fanzine.


http://www.talfanzine.com"

EDIT: that lad has beat me to it!

thank you very much for the interesting information.
your group seems to be very interesting and developed, but i will not continue this tpoic here, as this is a welcome topic and should stay as it is.

if you would like to copy your message and open a new topic about your group - i would like it alot.

about the questions - it will be an honor. i will answer them all within two day, as you requested comrade.

OK comrade, I did what you suggested.

Maybe you should delete the posts from this thread that are no longer relevant?

Rest assured that your interview will be published exactly as you answer it. We will not alter or comment on any of your answers (the only things we would change would be incorrect spelling). We print interviews as they are, not as we would like them to be. We welcome debate and discussion of all political issues that affect football supporters and left activists.

Thank you for your time.

i will not delete your messages, i do not like to delete words written out of thought and good intentions.
thank you for your interest, i will complete answering all your questions as soon as possible and not longer that two days from now, as you requested.

thank you for registering and taking part in our forum

Hello Comrade,

Sorry to post here again, but can you let me know if you will complete the interview as I have reserved pages for it in our fanzine which is now late for the printer because we wait your response.

I think it is important that Ultras Hapoel have their views represented in the fanzine because of the widely held views (and misconceptions?) about Israel and Palestine among our supporters who are largely unaware of left progressive fans at any club in Israel. You have the opportunity of putting your views across to thousands of our supporters.... many of whom do not look at ultras websites.

Either way, we will run an article on your club, but obviously without direct input from UH we cannot hope to represent your views properly or accurately, you must do that yourself... please.

Comradely,
Talman

comrade, i will complete it, but as you read from my privete message, you can know why i did not do it so far.
if you can give me some more time, i promise i will do it as soon as possible.
you know what i am dealing with now, so i hope this can wait a few more days more

It is great to see such a supporters group in existance. Well done.

If our comrades in Israel (or anywhere else) need any contribution from Turkey, we are proud to do so.

welcome arkadisim.
where in turkey you are from? what team you support?

Dear friend,

I am currently live in London, UK, but originally from Sakarya. I am member of the supporters group called "Tatangalar". As we organised campaigns against Racism and Fascism, we face much discrimination and persecution by Turkish authorities.

However, we are very happy to contribute for your campaigns from Turkey for peace, equality and friendship.

do you know about ALERTA?

http://alerta.bplaced.net/wordpress/

could you please show some photos of your actions? it seems to be very impressive what you describe. i never heard of your group.
of which team you are supporters?
why do turkish authorities chase you? over what exactly?

Dear friend,



Briefly, the Turkish oligarchy use every opportunity to crash its opposition, such as massacres, imprisonments, detentions, torture etc. Especially, since the1980 military coup, the dominant classes put their hands on football and its supporters. The football clubs in Turkey are being used by the Turkish government and its political parties as a tool to achieve their political goals. The nationalism, racism, hatred between minorities or religions are increased through football. The authorities especially in selected certain cities (like Sakarya, Trabzon and Bursa) impose their new order over football supporters. These cities mainly consist of different minorities, religions or cultures. The Turkification and nationalism were the main target.



However, as you presume, football is for working classes. Some elements from supporter groups stand for their class. These groups, all over Turkey, began standing against their status quo imposed by state. And many “leftist” supporters groups were created. Tatangalar is one of them. This group is NOT considered purely a leftist group, but what they have done so far (protesting USA/British invasion on Iraq and Afghanistan, mafia-government involvements in football, increased nationalism, government’s insufficient support for victims of earthquakes, even against environmental pollution by opposing the foundation of a factory within the city border etc), make them one of the most significant supporters group all over Turkey.



Unfortunately, the government’s response was very tough. Many supporters were detained, beaten, tortured and threatened with death or banned from attending matches (most recently one of the leading figure, Metin Dogrucan, was detained, beaten, prosecuted and most recently, he was banned from attending matches for 6 months). Sakaryaspor (once one of the leading teams from Anatolia) was relegated the 3rd tier, thanks to Turkish Football Federation and Turkish Authorities’ plots against the team.



As I mentioned, Tatangalar, is not a pure leftist supporter organisation. According to Turkish Police, Tatangalar was created and still lead by "extreme leftists". It is a fact that the movement of tatngalar gathered everyone (including liberals, religious people, apolitics or even some right wingers) under one umbrella, against nationalism, racism, bigotry, poverty, exploitation etc.





For more information

http://www.tatangalar.com/

http://kutsaldelilik.blogspot.com/

This sounds very interesting! Why dont you open an own topic for it and keep us up to date?

this is very interesting, and i had no idea this thing exists in turkey.
please open a new topic, and copy your last message and keep us up to date with your activities and goals. show us some photos if possibe as well.
i am waiting for you to open a new topic about your group and there i will ask you some more questions.

Dear friends,

I tried to put some pictures to my last post, but I couldn't manage. If you explain how to enclosed pictures, I will do it. Regarding new topic; if you allow us, why not? happy to do so...

when you write a message, you can see that above the space in which you write there are many buttons.
just click on the one saying "Img" and two tags will appear, put the link to the picture between them.

Let's try, I hope it works


The banner "Yaşamak Direnmektir" means "To Live is to Resist". A very famous political slogan, used by revolutionaries (especially revolutionary prisoners).


ADALILAR is nick name for Revolutionary leaders who have been either killed in action or hanged by Turkish authorities in early 1970s.

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The banner says "SEN NE GÜZELSİN EY KAVGAMIZIN ŞEHRİ" means "How beautiful you are, the city of our struggle". Another traditional proverb for resistance against fascism. This banner was used in the games between Sakaryaspor vs Bursaspor as Bursaspor supporters are known as extreme right wing nationalists.


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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oCjSSZyGaVc/S ... C01575.JPG
These banners were used in support of Alexandros Grigoropoulos who was killed by Greek police.

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Che with Sakaryaspor colours (green and black)


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oCjSSZyGaVc/S ... fsiz+polis

A dispute with our "best friends"

wow, you guys are just great!